Date: January 14, 2003 03:12 PM
Author: Anarcho-Kev (Kevin4VFT@aol.com)
Subject: God "ordains" and "sanctifies" EVIL "for our good."

Laurie says:

I am simply quoting Romans 13: - "For he is God's servant to do you good." It's really as simple as that. Now if that throws you into a tizzy, then you better figure out just who God's servant is in that text.

I understand that government can become corrupt just like anything else. I'm not stupid. I just don't agree that civil government is an intrinsically evil institution in and of itself. Romans 13:1 says "...the powers that be are ordained of God."

Eulogizing the State

"Eulogy" comes from two Greek words meaning "good" and "speech." Romans 13 is a eulogy for the State. But we must remember that often in Scripture, good-sounding words ("servant" "ordained") do not necessarily refer to good things. Paul calls them "the powers." But he says in Ephesians 6:12 that we are to "wrestle against" the powers. Everywhere this word "powers" (plural) occurs in the New Testament, it refers to demonic agencies.

I.Corinthians.15:24 All of Satan's powers will be conquered by Christ because
Ephesians 1:21 in His resurrection Christ was exalted above them all.
Ephesians 2:2 The prince of the powers of the atmosphere (i.e., between earth and the invisible heaven) was then working in those who did not have the Spirit
Ephesians 3:10 The people of God are to tell the powers that the jig is up.  It's time to serve.
Ephesians 6:12 We wrestle (fight) against these powers
Colossians 1:13 because we are no longer in the empire of darkness, but in the empire of Christ (a Spiritual empire, of course), and because
Colossians 1:16 even Satan and the fallen angels were created by God (they are creatures, not creators).
Colossians 2:10 Therefore Christ is the head of the powers now, and has
Colossians 2:15 disarmed them.
I Peter 3:22 They are all subject to Christ.
Romans 8:38-39 It's all over.  ("creature" in v. 39 is translated "ordinance" in I Pet 2:13.)

Nevertheless, because men without the Spirit have no power to live without the structure provided by the powers, we are not to engage in impatient violent revolutionary deconstruction (Romans 13:1-4; Titus 3:1) nor treat the fallen angels lightly (2 Peter 2:10).

More good-words: Isaiah begins a sermon against Babylon in chapter 13 which continues through chapter 14. Babylon is going to be judged for her lawlessness, her violations of Biblical Law. Her judgment will come at the hands of the Medes.

The soldiers of the Meden army are His "sanctified ones." (v. 3)
The Lord "commands" them.
He calls His "mighty ones." (v. 3)
He musters the armies together. (v. 4)
The armies of the nations
indent.gif (90 bytes)come from the Lord
indent.gif (90 bytes)to destroy the earth. (v. 5)
(Not the whole earth, just the land that pertains to Babylon.)
The destroying armies are "the weapons of His indignation" (v. 5).
This is the day of the Lord's "wrath and fierce anger" (vv. 6-9).
The coming destruction is a terror for these evil doers (v. 11).
God is sending a sword to cut them down (v. 15).

The purposes of God's wrath are "served" by these sword-bearing evil-doers. They are "called." They are "sanctified." Good words used to describe bad people and evil actions. This is clearly the same language we see in Romans 13.

Could a Theonomist join the armies of the Medes, the Assyrians, the Romans, or "the New World Order?" Not and remain a Theonomist. Yes, a person who is "called" by God, "serves" God's purposes, is "sanctified" by God, surely "ordained" by God, bringing "the wrath of God" against "evil doers" could be an apostate in utter defiance of God's Law.

The State murders. The State lives by theft. The State engages in man-stealing. We must encourage all politicians, bureaucrats, and our next-door neighbor -- who just got a job opening the suitcases of grandmothers at the airport -- to repent and resign. The State is evil.

For Our Good

Not just good words, Laurie says; Romans 13 says the State is sent "for our good" (Romans 13:4). When God says to Babylon, "I am sending My ministers," He does not mean to comfort the Babylonians with the promise of the presence of His divine ambassadors, the army of the Medes. This is a threat of judgment! But even judgment is for our good. I think this was best explained (although unwittingly) by Bill Gothard. In the Basic Seminar section on "Transforming Sources of Irritation," Gothard points out the following:

In this way the State is a servant of God for our good. Not just for our "good" in the sense of "national security" or lowered FBI crime statistics (because looking to the theft and murder of the State for these things actually reduces security and increases crime), but good in the sense of our "summum bonum," our highest spiritual good.

 

Kevin C.
http://devoted.to/AnarchoTheocracy
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And they shall beat their swords into plowshares
and sit under their Vine & Fig Tree.
Micah 4:1-7

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That the State is said to be "for our good" does not prove that the State is not evil.

Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

"All things" -- even evil things.

What kinds of things work together for our good?
 
Romans 8:35-39
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution (Romans 12:14), or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword (Romans 13:4)? 36 As it is written:
“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”
37 Yet in all these things we are more than overcomers (Romans 12:21) through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers (Romans 13:1), nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing  [κτίσις] , shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance [κτίσις, created thing] of man for the Lord's sake: 

Romans 13 compared to Jeremiah 20's

Resist = damnation
Submit = salvation

Jeremiah 27

27 In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah came this word unto Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,

2 Thus saith the Lord to me; Make thee bonds and yokes, and put them upon thy neck,

8 And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the Lord, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I [the LORD] have consumed them by his [My servant's] hand.

9 Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon:

10 For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish.

11 But the nations that bring their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him, those will I let remain still in their own land, saith the Lord; and they shall till it, and dwell therein. [submit = salvation]

12 I spake also to Zedekiah king of Judah according to all these words, saying, Bring your necks under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him and his people, and live.

Jeremiah 38:17-18 Then said Jeremiah unto Zedekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of hosts, the God of Israel; If thou wilt assuredly go forth unto the king of Babylon's princes, then thy soul shall live, and this city shall not be burned with fire; and thou shalt live, and thine house: {18} But if thou wilt not go forth to the king of Babylon's princes, then shall this city be given into the hand of the Chaldeans, and they shall burn it with fire, and thou shalt not escape out of their hand. [resist = damnation]

"National Defense" is the attempt to avoid "bringing your neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon." Or China.

"National Defense" is a very expensive lie.

"National Defense" is not Biblical. It is Humanist. It is socialist. It is fascist.

Matthew Henry (1662 – 1714)

Nebuchadnezzar was very unjust and barbarous in invading the rights and liberties of his neighbours thus, and forcing them into a subjection to him; yet God had just and holy ends in permitting him to do so, to punish these nations for their idolatry and gross immoralities. Those that would not serve the God that made them were justly made to serve their enemies that sought to ruin them. [Jeremiah] shows them the vanity of all the hopes they fed themselves with, that they should preserve their liberties,

Those that will bend shall not break. Perhaps the dominion of the king of Babylon may bear no harder upon them than that of their own kings had done. It is often more a point of honour than true wisdom to prefer liberty before life

"Better Dead than Red!"

Give me liberty or give me death!

Jeremiah 25:8-10

8 Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts; Because ye have not heard my words,

9 Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the Lord, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.

Jeremiah 27:6

And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.

8 And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the Lord, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I [the LORD] have consumed them by his hand.

Isaiah 10

Jeremiah 25:12
And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

Romans 12:21
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Matthew 5:44
But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,

Romans 13

1 Let every soul be subject to the [persecutors]. For there is no [persecution] except from God, and the [persecutors] that exist are put in place by God. 
2 Therefore whoever resists the [persecutors] resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 
3 For [persecutors] are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the [persecutors]? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 
4 For [the persecutor] is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for [the persecutor] is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 
5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Proverbs 12:24
The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute

The United States is EVIL

Americans think their government is the best. It may actually be the worst. It may be the most evil and most dangerous terrorist organization on the planet.

The government of North Korea may be more evil, but it is not more dangerous than the government of the United States. The average human being on planet earth is more likely to be deprived of her life, liberty or property by an agent of the United States than by a North Korean or a recruit for ISIS.

The United States fosters Violence

The United States already has a track record for staggering violence, and gives every indication of being willing to unleash even more unimaginable violence on you and your world.

The United States fosters Ignorance

This comes as no surprise to anyone who looks at the United States from a Christian worldview.

The United States is no longer
a "City upon a Hill."
It is an imperialist monster.

The U.S. Federal Government now seeks to impose its anti-Christian worldview on the entire world.

The United States is a “tyranny.”
The Declaration of Independence says
patriots have a duty to abolish tyrannical governments.
The U.S. federal government exercises domestic tyranny over the American People, who are considered the "enemies" by the government.

Every single person who signed The Declaration of Independence (1776) and the Constitution (1787) would take immediate steps to repeal the Constitution and abolish the government it created.

A True American Accepts His Duty to Abolish Tyranny

The Declaration of Independence says we have a "duty" to "abolish" any government that becomes a threat to the unalienable rights with which we were endowed by our Creator. We have for too long neglected that duty. The United States denies the existence of the Creator, and is the largest threat to the rights of billions of human beings around the world. Without muskets or violence of any kind, the United States must be abolished. You are not a "good American" if you disagree. You show no respect to America's Founders if you disagree. (Or, you are a victim of educational malpractice.)

during the last 50 years, the government created by the Constitution has done the following:

  1. Secularized the Oath of Office, effectively replacing "so help me, God," with "so help me, Government."
    • This is a serious issue, even though most people regard the oath of office as a "mere formality." 
      • Even the U.S. Supreme Court has said the oath is little more than an "amenity."
      • But America's Founding Fathers believed that the oath was "an act of religious worship."
      • The oath is the subject of the Third Commandment, about taking the Lord's Name in vain.
      • More about the Oath of Office
      • Courts have recently ruled that a Christian, whose ultimate allegiance is to God as King, Judge, Lawgiver, and Savior, cannot take the oath to "support the Constitution."
        •  This means that a Christian, who was born outside the U.S., cannot legally become a naturalized U.S. Citizen in this "secular" nation. 
        • Even a Christian who was born in the U.S. and therefore automatically a citizen cannot become an attorney, nor a public school teacher, certified elevator inspector, or draftsman for the County of San Diego, or any other employment which requires an oath to "support the Constitution" (cases)
        • America's Founders would be outraged at all this. This one issue would be enough in their minds to commence a revolution.
      • My Petition Before the California Supreme Court - Appendix A
    • Biblically speaking, a secular oath is an act of idolatry -- especially a secular oath of allegiance to a "secular" (atheistic) state.
    • "The LORD will not hold them guiltless who take His Name in vain" (Exodus 20:7). North Korea does not take the Lord's Name in vain. "In God We Trust?"
       
  2. Banned the Bible from "public" schools
    • Schools were created 400 years ago to make sure everyone in town could read the Bible. "Common schools" were the product of the Protestant Reformation, with its banner of "Sola Scriptura."
    • Even the Ten Commandments have been banned. A private organization cannot spend money to print the Ten Commandments on a poster which will hang passively and quietly on a classroom wall, at no expense to the taxpayers, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled.
    • The U.S. Government says children cannot be taught the Bible as the authors of the Bible would teach the Bible. Students can only be taught the Bible as atheists would teach the Bible: that the Bible is an irrelevant artifact of the past, no different from any other "holy book."
    • The U.S. Government says that state and local public school teachers cannot teach students that the Declaration of Independence (1776) is actually true.
       
  3. Legalized the murder of 50 million children simply because they are inconvenient and cannot defend themselves. (Roe v. Wade, 1973)
     
  4. Killed, maimed, or made homeless TENS OF MILLIONS of innocent non-combatant non-white civilians around the world.
    • A million killed in Vietnam
    • 800,000 in Laos, and another 800,000 in Cambodia.
    • A million in Iraq
    • Before I was born, the U.S. played a significant role in unnecessarily killing tens of millions of people in World War I, World War II, and the Korean War. None of those wars were "just wars."
       
  5. The National Debt is One Thousand Times (1000x) greater than it was 100 years ago. All the goodies -- the TV, the microwave, the car -- were created using "false weights and measures," not gold and silver, as explicitly required by the Constitution, and the purchasing power for all these luxuries was stolen from the poor.
     
  6. Apostasy: What is even more astonishing and reprehensible is that the U.S. Supreme Court once acknowledged that the United States was a Christian nation. North Korea was never a Christian nation like this.

    • Jesus warned:
      45 But if that servant ... begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.
      49 “I came to send fire on the land, and how I wish it were already kindled!”
      Luke 12:45-49

Since the end of World War 2, the United States has:

  1. Attempted to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments, most of which were democratically-elected.
  2. Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries.
  3. Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders.
  4. Attempted to suppress a populist or nationalist movement in 20 countries.
  5. Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries.
  6. Led the world in torture; not only the torture performed directly by Americans upon foreigners, but providing torture equipment, torture manuals, lists of people to be tortured, and in-person guidance by American teachers, especially in Latin America.

This is indeed exceptional. No other country in all of history comes anywhere close to such a record.

Persecutors

Matthew 5:10
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:11
Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake.

1 Peter 2:15
For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men

Matthew 5:12
Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Matthew 5:44
But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,

Matthew 23:34 [to pharisees]
Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,

Luke 21:12 [to disciples]
But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name’s sake.

John 5:16
For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath.

John 15:20
Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also.

Acts 7:52
Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers,

Acts 8:3
As for Saul, he made havoc of the church, entering every house, and dragging off men and women, committing them to prison.

Acts 26:11
And I punished them often in every synagogue and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly enraged against them, I persecuted them even to foreign cities.

1 Corinthians 15:9
For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

Galatians 1:f13
For you have heard of my former conduct in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it.

Philippians 3:6
concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

Do not resist persecutors

Pray for enemies

Jeremiah 29:7

7 And seek the peace of the city whither I have caused you to be carried away captives, and pray unto the Lord for it: for in the peace thereof shall ye have peace.

1 Timothy 2:1-2

1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.